STOP AND START SYSTEM(for 2WW), Diagnostic DTC:P1780

DTC Code DTC Name
P1780 Discrepancy between Neutral Position SW and Shift Position

DESCRIPTION

The engine stop and start ECU detects a malfunction by comparing the shift position signal with the neutral position sensor (neutral position switch) signal input state. When a malfunction occurs, the engine stop and start ECU stores this DTC, blinks the stop and start cancel indicator light, and prohibits the stop and start control.

DTC No. Detection Item DTC Detection Condition Trouble Area Warning Indicate Memory
P1780 Discrepancy between Neutral Position SW and Shift Position

The following condition continues for 1 second or more (1 trip detection logic):


  • Open or short in neutral position sensor (neutral position switch) circuit.

  • Neutral position sensor (neutral position switch)

  • Engine stop and start ECU

  • Wire harness or connector

 Blinks DTC stored

WIRING DIAGRAM

B002A6QE26
*a Neutral Position Sensor (Neutral Position Switch)
*b Engine Stop and Start ECU

CAUTION / NOTICE / HINT

Note


  • Before replacing the engine stop and start ECU, read the number of starter operations and write it into a new engine stop and start ECU.

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  • After replacing the engine stop and start ECU or air conditioning amplifier assembly, reset and perform learning of the air conditioning information in the engine stop and start ECU.

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  • After replacing the engine stop and start ECU or airbag sensor assembly, perform deceleration sensor zero point clear and calibration.

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  • Inspect the fuses for circuits related to this system before performing the following procedure.

Tech Tips

Using the GTS, read the freeze frame data before troubleshooting. System condition information is recorded as freeze frame data the moment a DTC is stored. This information can be useful when troubleshooting.

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PROCEDURE


  1. READ VALUE USING GTS (NEUTRAL SWITCH)


    1. Connect the GTS to the DLC3.

    2. Turn the ignition switch to ON.

    3. Turn the GTS on.

    4. Enter the following menus: Powertrain / Stop and Start / Data List / Neutral Switch.


      Powertrain > Stop and Start > Data List
      Tester Display
      Neutral Switch

    5. Read the value when the shift lever is in neutral and any other position

      OK
      Tester Display Condition Normal Condition
      Neutral Switch Shift lever in neutral ON
      Shift lever in any position other than neutral OFF
      Result
      Proceed to
      OK
      NG

    OK

    USE SIMULATION METHOD TO CHECK Click here

    NG

  2. CHECK HARNESS AND CONNECTOR (ENGINE STOP AND START ECU - NEUTRAL POSITION SENSOR (NEUTRAL POSITION SWITCH))


    1. Disconnect the A66 engine stop and start ECU connector.

    2. Disconnect the C16 neutral position sensor (neutral position switch) connector.

    3. Measure the resistance according to the value(s) in the table below.

      Standard Resistance
      Tester Connection Condition Specified Condition
      A66-26 (TMVC) - C16-1 (W1) Always Below 1 Ω
      A66-25 (TME2) - C16-3 (F+) Always Below 1 Ω
      A66-8 (TMN) - C16-2 (TMN) Always Below 1 Ω
      A66-26 (TMVC) - Body ground Always 10 kΩ or higher
      C16-1 (W1) - Body ground Always 10 kΩ or higher
      A66-25 (TME2) - Body ground Always 10 kΩ or higher
      C16-3 (F+) - Body ground Always 10 kΩ or higher
      A66-8 (TMN) - Body ground Always 10 kΩ or higher
      C16-2 (TMN) - Body ground Always 10 kΩ or higher
      Result
      Proceed to
      OK
      NG

    NG

    REPAIR OR REPLACE HARNESS OR CONNECTOR

    OK

  3. CHECK ENGINE STOP AND START ECU (TMN TERMINAL VOLTAGE)

    B002AL6C72
    *a

    Component with harness connected

    (Engine Stop and Start ECU)

    		 - -

    1. Measure the voltage according to the value(s) in the table below.

      Standard Voltage
      Tester Connection Condition Specified Condition
      A66-8 (TMN) - A66-25 (TME2) Ignition switch ON, shift lever in neutral 2.7 to 4.3 V
      Ignition switch ON, shift lever in any position other than neutral 0.7 to 1.9 V
      Result
      Proceed to
      OK
      NG

    OK

    REPLACE ENGINE STOP AND START ECU Click here

    NG

    REPLACE NEUTRAL POSITION SWITCH Click here